Greater Than Code

The Human Side of Technology

About the show

For a long time, tech culture has focused too narrowly on technical skills; this has resulted in a tech community that too often puts companies and code over people. Greater Than Code is a podcast that invites the voices of people who are not heard from enough in tech: women, people of color, trans and/or queer folks, to talk about the human side of software development and technology. Greater Than Code is providing a vital platform for these conversations, and developing new ideas of what it means to be a technologist beyond just the code.

Featuring an ongoing panel of racially and gender diverse tech panelists, the majority of podcast guests so far have been women in tech! We’ve covered topics including imposter syndrome, mental illness, sexuality, unconscious bias and social justice. We also have a major focus on skill sets that tech too often devalues, like team-building, hiring, community organizing, mentorship and empathy. Each episode also includes a transcript.

We have an active Slack community that members can join by pledging as little as $1 per month via Patreon.

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  • 267: Handling Consulting Businesses and Client Loads

    January 19th, 2022  |  1 hr 2 mins

    Greater Than Code Panelists, Chelsea Troy, Mae Beale, and Casey Watts talk marketing, setting prices, and explaining their value and offerings for their personal consulting businesses while also sustaining connection to the well of “geek joy,” as GeePaw Hill mentioned in a recent Twitter thread. They talk about how it’s difficult to take on multiple roles when in management and agree that to lower burnout rates, there should be separate roles for separate people within companies.

  • 266: Words Carry Power – Approaching Inclusive Language with Kate Marshall

    January 12th, 2022  |  58 mins 4 secs

    Kate Marshall talks about setting healthy energetic boundaries with others, the fact that words hold immense power and gives advice on how to take responsibility for unintentionally causing harm without overthinking it because progress takes practice, and gives insight on what it’s been like to open a mutual aid-centered model yoga studio over the past few years where people feel included, safe, and loved.

  • 265: Computer Science Education – Forge Your Own Path with Emily Haggard

    January 5th, 2022  |  52 mins 52 secs

    Emily Haggard recently graduated from college and took a break from taking her finals to join us to talk about her community college path, computer science curriculums, and what makes a great mentor.

  • 264: #BlackTechTwitter and Black Tech Pipeline with Pariss Athena

    December 22nd, 2021  |  59 mins 46 secs

    Pariss Athena talks about being the creator of the hashtag, movement, and global community #BlackTechTwitter, and founding the Black Tech Pipeline.

    She and the panelists discuss being okay with losing opportunities, being vocal about wins, and being intentional about community because people who are not Black do not understand the Black experience. We, as a collective society, and as coconspirators, need to make sure the Black experience is changed for the better moving forward.

  • 263: Security Education, Awareness, Behavior, and Culture with Kat Sweet

    December 15th, 2021  |  46 mins 51 secs

    Kat Sweet talks about security education, awareness, behavior, and culture. She’s got terrible puns, so this is a super fun show!

    We talk about unconscious bias training that works, attempting to make safe things easy, and even dietary accessibility.

  • 262: Faith, Science, Truth, and Vulnerability with Evan Light

    December 8th, 2021  |  1 hr 19 mins

    Evan Light vulnerably gets deep into conversations around ADHD, faith, science, and truth, and explores areas of disagreement with the panelists. Psychological safety is discussed, as well as unconscious bias, neuroscience, and mindfulness.

  • 261: Celebrating Computer Science Education with Dave Bock

    December 1st, 2021  |  1 hr 14 mins

    Dave Bock talks about being invigorated and revitalized by talking, teaching, and volunteering in computer science education. He talks about his preference to use Ruby as a teaching language, pros and cons of teaching remotely, and handling time management and energy to do the work.

  • 260: Fixing Broken Tech Interviews with Ian Douglas

    November 24th, 2021  |  1 hr 4 mins

    The way we do tech interviews is broken. Ian Douglas talks about how current company interview processes don’t align with skills that companies actually need. We discuss how the community and companies could actually overhaul the system to work together and collect antipatterns so that we could turn the way we do things around to leave everyone having had a nice experience overall, no matter the outcome.

  • 259: Continuous Iteration, Continuous Improvement – Always Evolving Over Time with Rin Oliver

    November 17th, 2021  |  43 mins 14 secs

    Rin Oliver talks about improving developer experience, neurodivergence and the distinction between technical and autistic burnout, mentoring, and how to successfully contribute to open source projects.

  • 258: Nerd Therapy with Michael Keady

    November 10th, 2021  |  1 hr 16 mins

    Michael Keady, The Nerd Therapist, runs nerdy programs like Roll for Growth, which uses role playing games such as Dungeons and Dragons as a form of group therapy and Minecraft for individual therapy.

    In this episode, he talks about gaming in engaging in talk therapy with both adults and children, and how to consume media by curating, engaging in, and explaining it responsibly.

  • 257: Putting Accessibility Into Action with Dr. Michele A. Williams

    November 3rd, 2021  |  59 mins 48 secs

    Dr. Michele A. Williams’ mission is to reach outside of the accessibility world and demystify it for able-bodied people. In this episode, she talks about the real work of accessibility needing to come from top down organizational changes, and rethinking our moral obligations and social norms as a culture.

  • 256: Unbreaking the Web with Chris Ferdinandi

    October 27th, 2021  |  1 hr 44 secs

    Chris Ferdinandi comes back on the show to talk about how important, but hard it is to maintain privacy on the web. Right now sites are overusing analytics and tracking scripts, and as developers, we have an ethical obligation to be an advocates for our users. In short, frontend development is hard.

  • 255: Building Global Love Bubbles with Anne Griffin

    October 20th, 2021  |  1 hr 19 mins

    Anne Griffin joins the show to talk about making people feel they matter on teams by changing company culture, sharing concerns with upper management, and often, having difficult conversations. How do we help people who want to learn to be better people learn to be better people? How do we feel about having designated “work therapists”? How should teams share job responsibilities clearly and fairly?

  • 254: Transitioning Into Tech with Danielle Thompson

    October 13th, 2021  |  51 mins 28 secs

    Danielle Thompson talks about entering tech as a former person in the hospitality industry with an anthropology degree, and how doing those things in the past have helped her to better work with people today. We also talk about the streaming revolution, and you can catch Danielle every Wednesday at 7PM Pacific, for Code School QA at!

  • 253: Reframing the Value of Open Source with Jen Weber

    October 6th, 2021  |  54 mins 25 secs

    Jen Weber talks about differences between working on open source vs commercial software products, things you should keep in mind when it comes to pushing major vs minor releases, and ways we as an industry could do open source better as a collective whole.

  • 252: Designing For Safety with Eva PenzeyMoog

    September 29th, 2021  |  1 hr 45 secs

    TRIGGER WARNING: Domestic Violence, Abuse, Interpersonal Safety

    Eva PenzeyMoog talks about her superpower being her ADHD and ability to hyperfocus before diving into a discussion about her book, “Designing for Safety.” We talk about how technology can be weaponized for harm and that it’s not a matter of might. It’s when. She talks about what engineers, designers, and even product managers need to know when building applications, and that it is our responsibility to prioritize the safety of marginalized people over the comfort of unmarginalized people.