Episode 024: Seeing Programming Where Other People Don’t with Felienne Hermans

March 22nd, 2017 · 58 mins 10 secs

About this Episode

00:16 – Welcome to “The Netherlands Invented Gay Marriage, So We Should Be Scared of Them Now!” …we mean, “Greater Than Code!”

01:28 – Origin Story

03:17 – Programming Perspectives From People of Different Backgrounds; Teaching Adults vs Children

06:12 – Teaching Programming as a Language; Aha! Moments

Scratch Programming


12:26 – Identity and why do we so often use the phrase “not real programming”? What do we define as software? Tooling

Microsoft Excel


20:13 – Should everyone know programming? Why? What should they know/be able to do? (Digital Literacy)

28:27 – What is the programming equivalent of a library/librarian?

33:06 – Does STEM education make other forms of education obsolete? Why not?

35:15 – Things to Get Better at Programming Other Than Programming


48:58 – Fighting Against “Real” Programming and Being Hesitant to Let in Newcomers

50:40 – What can we do to help spread the knowledge?


Felienne: If people say they are programming, they are. Limit belittling and surprise. Do not contaminate others with what your own idea of programming is.

Jessica: Value on reading through code and forming a model of it.

Astrid: Thinking about programming as in thinking about writing.

Rein: Some programming does involved math, but it is not (for the most part) the math you hated in high school.

A Mathematician’s Lament: How School Cheats Us Out of Our Most Fascinating and Imaginative Art Form by Paul Lockhart

Sam: You can be fluent at a very low level of proficiency and still be fluent.

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