094: Humans All The Way Down with April Wensel

April Wensel talks about compassion: living according to your values, changing social makeups of teams, conscious business, and self-compassion and forgiveness.

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John Sawers | Janelle Klein | Sam Livingston-Gray

Guest Starring:

April Wensel: @aprilwensel | Compassionate Coding

Show Notes:

01:07 – April’s Superpower: Synthesizing Seemingly Unrelated Concepts to Create Something New

02:30 – Tension Between Code and Compassion

05:47 – Living According to Your Values

11:33 – Team Values and Feedback Loops

17:23 – Changing Social Makeups of Teams

22:22 – Conscious Business

32:51 – Self-Compassion and Forgiveness

40:34 – Alleviating Pain and Suffering

43:51 – Being Kind vs Being Nice

47:16 – Having Hard Conversations

51:15 – “Clever” Code

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Sam: Capturing how zero-sum thinking works and holding compassion for yourself and other people.

John: Putting values evaluations into regular retrospectives.

April: You don’t just apply compassion in isolation. True compassion is unconditional.

Janelle: Helping to relieve quiet suffering.

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